Reconstruction talk:Proto-Germanic/raþą

Are there really no English descendants? --Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 21:20, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

None that I can find. If this word had survived it would have become ræþ in Old English, and rath in modern English. —CodeCat 21:45, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

@CodeCat: Perhaps this is what the mome raths that outgrabe were. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 16:15, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

opening laryngeal

The opening laryngeal in this reconstruction is by far not generally acknowledged, and should thus at least appear in brackets. Cf. e.g., LIV2 "ret". And please do not revert things without having an overview over the literature.HJJHolm (talk) 08:58, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

PIE roots couldn't start with just *r-, which is revealed mainly by Hittite and somewhat by Greek; similar to how they couldn't start with only a vowel. If neither Greek nor Hittite can tell us the what the laryngeal was, we mark it simply with *Hr-. You can contest it all you want but almost all modern IE linguists operate under this assumption, so we do here. Anglom (talk) 09:24, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

This would imply that ALL Albanian words with r- are loans, because derived from Hr- they would show ar-. See in wiktionary e.g., the suppletive form Alb. rashë 'he fell'. I have only fife IE textbooks in my shelf, of which only one is in German. Perhaps you can tell me which one I missed, presumably with the page for *Hr-. HJJHolm (talk) 09:25, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Multiple points here:

• The number of words in Albanian inherited from PIE is comparatively small. A great deal of the Albanian lexicon is, in fact, made up of loanwords from Doric Greek, Latin, and Slavic.
• The sequence *Hr- does not produce ar- in Albanian except when the PIE *r is a zero-grade *Hr̥-. In fact, according to Demiraj, rashë is derived from *h₃rew-, a point that was mentioned in that Wiktionary entry already.
• What IE books do you have on your shelf? Some old texts may be quite out of date and useless.

—JohnC5 13:35, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

• Regarding the Albanian loans, see also Holm 2009, 2011b. For 'wheel', Albanian has both, an inherited word with a broader meaning, and a loan limited to the meaning 'wheel' only. Both finally from PIE (H)reth₂.
• Cancel the "in fact" if citing one source only. Though I respect Demiraj very much, the cited root is not generally accepted, e.g. missing in LIV2. The adduced "cognates" may be possible, however, remain semantically rather questionable.
• German 'Rad' is generally regarded as cognate with the Celtic and Latin forms Kluge/Seebold 2011, 25th ed.), in turn verbal nomina from PIE (H)reth₂; the Germanic word could probably be a loan from Celtic, considering the advanced wagon technology of the Celts (and further the Romans) in southern Germany.HJJHolm (talk) 07:44, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Write out an etymology that is well-formatted, well-researched, and well-sourced, and we shall evaluated it on its merits. Your habit of making random etymological potshots does little to help your cases. —*i̯óh₁n̥C^[5] 08:06, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

1) I GAVE the sources. 2) What do you mean by "we shall evaluated it"? 3) You should avoid to refer to yourself in plural majestatis. 2A02:8108:9640:AC3:B182:5A5D:5F9F:7774 06:49, 27 October 2020 (UTC)