Category talk:English words by number of syllables
Latest comment: 3 years ago by Sgconlaw in topic RFM discussion: August 2020–March 2021
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I suggest that “Category:English words by number of syllables” and its subcategories be moved such that words is replaced by terms, since these categories do not only contain single-word entries. If there are similar categories for other languages these should also be moved. — SGconlaw (talk) 21:57, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- I’m not so sure if having multi-word terms in these categories is useful at all. I mean, would a reader who looks up Category:English 13-syllable words really want to find behind every successful man there stands a woman. Not to mention it leads to mistakes such as in Abegg's rule. — Ungoliant (falai) 14:07, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
- To be fair, the problem at at Abegg's rule is due to the template being told that it is a single word. I suspect that having multi-word terms in these categories is at least party the result of implementing syllable counting in the IPA template without addressing the issue of how to divide an utterance into words- in some languages, that's not a simple task. Chuck Entz (talk) 14:55, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Sgconlaw, Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV, Chuck Entz Abegg's rule had two issues: its pronunciation was indicated as if the term were just "Abegg's", and Module:IPA adds terms to "LANG #-syllable words" even if there are spaces or liaison marks (‿) in the pronunciation. I fixed both issues. As Chuck notes, checking for spaces won't work in languages like Thai that don't put spaces between words (or conversely, in Vietnamese, which puts spaces between all syllables). For these languages, either we can disable the categories or rename them (for these languages only) to "LANG #-syllable terms". Benwing2 (talk) 00:01, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- Resolved:
{{IPA}}has been updated so English multiple word terms no longer have their syllables counted. — SGconlaw (talk) 06:25, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Resolved:
- @Sgconlaw, Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV, Chuck Entz Abegg's rule had two issues: its pronunciation was indicated as if the term were just "Abegg's", and Module:IPA adds terms to "LANG #-syllable words" even if there are spaces or liaison marks (‿) in the pronunciation. I fixed both issues. As Chuck notes, checking for spaces won't work in languages like Thai that don't put spaces between words (or conversely, in Vietnamese, which puts spaces between all syllables). For these languages, either we can disable the categories or rename them (for these languages only) to "LANG #-syllable terms". Benwing2 (talk) 00:01, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- To be fair, the problem at at Abegg's rule is due to the template being told that it is a single word. I suspect that having multi-word terms in these categories is at least party the result of implementing syllable counting in the IPA template without addressing the issue of how to divide an utterance into words- in some languages, that's not a simple task. Chuck Entz (talk) 14:55, 3 September 2020 (UTC)